International Trade Minister Jim Carr says the U.S. and China must be involved in any meaningful reform of the World Trade Organization, despite neither country being present at a meeting of WTO members in Ottawa on Thursday, Oct. 25, 2018. SOUNDBITE: Jim Carr, international trade minister PLACELINE: Ottawa CREDIT: The Canadian Press LANGUAGE: English SCRIPT: There can be no meaningful reform of the WTO without the Americans and Chinese. It was our thinking that as a first step we would bring in a group of nations that are reflective of diversity internationally but who share the value and the belief that the rules-based international border is worth preserving and the best way to preserve it is to reform it.